{Ep.127} LGBTQ+, Identity, and The Bible

Today, we start a short new series discussing all things LGBTQ+. Kevin thoughtfully breaks down what the scripture says about homosexuality and Identity. His passion and care for this topic are evident as he speaks to Christians and non-Christians who are a part of the LGBTQ+ community.

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Kevin Wilson (00:01.438)
Welcome back to the thinking out loud podcast. My name is Kevin Wilson and we are back live this week. I know last time we did a replay show, and I'm core show. And so, but we are back live and I am excited to be here with you guys this week. And, so,

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Kevin Wilson (02:21.31)
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and and go from there. So. Well, we are going to dive into a topic that is a bit controversial and that if you've listened to the show for any length of time, you know that that's no surprise. That's what we do. We talk about very controversial things on this show at times.

Kevin Wilson (04:33.694)
We don't shy away and we don't talk about them for the sake of controversy. Some people, they love that. It gets the you know, they're like, I want to get more listeners. So I'm just going to talk about something controversial. Well, we only talk about things like this when we really feel like these are things that need to be talked about. And when you're listening to this now, you know, this is going to be an evergreen show. So you'll be able to play this show three years from now and it'll be just as relevant as it is.

today. But currently, we've just got into the month of June. And as you know, especially if you live in the US, this is what the US calls Pride Month. And this is the LGBTQ plus community who are celebrating their

the LGBTQ community. OK. And. You know, this could be such a controversial and divisive topic. And, you know, when I think about us as Christians, OK. As Christians, we should be always the one thing that should unite us.

It should be the word of God. Right. If we disagree on something, we should be able to go back to the word of God and say, what does God's word say about this? And again, if you listen to this show for any length of time, I am 100 % about the word of God, because that's the only thing that I can stand on. Right. My opinion about something doesn't matter.

Your opinion doesn't matter. What matters is what the word of God actually says. Sometimes people say, well, it's all about the word, the word, the word. Yep. I'm going to always be about the word of God because that's what God has left us as a roadmap or a manual to live our lives. If

Kevin Wilson (07:01.95)
If we don't have something that is a roadmap to help us live our lives, guys, we, I mean, we're just aimlessly doing whatever we feel is right. But that's not how the world set up. Right. That's not how God set up creation. He created us and then he gave us a book.

called the Bible, 66 books, right? That help us know how to live. Okay. And I think that this is one of those topics when we talk about Pride Month and LGBTQ community. I just, you know, it's so divisive and it's so like people's feelings get so hurt. And I want us to step.

out of all of that minutiae and I want us to step back and as Christians, now some of you that are listening or a lot of you that are listening, you may not be a Christian. You might be saying, hey, Kev, I don't really do the whole Bible thing or I don't really know about the Bible or I know, you know, all of that. Okay. And that's fine. That's totally fine. I think that you'll be able to glean a lot from this.

particular episode and the other couple episodes that I'm going to do surrounding this topic so that you understand. I think you'll understand why Christians believe what they believe. OK. And because what I'm going to do is I'm going to go through scripture by scripture. This particular episode here is going to be chock full of scripture.

OK, not my opinion, not what some guy said in a book, right? But what the Bible actually says. OK. And I encourage you, so as we go through this, get out your own Bible. And if you you say, Kev, I don't own a Bible, get on the Web and go to Bible Hub or go to Bible Gateway or.

Kevin Wilson (09:24.638)
Go to, you know, whatever. I mean, there's so many Bible sites and go on and actually read with me and read what the Bible actually says. Right. Go ahead and read it. Because this is so, so super important for you to know that these are not just my opinions. Another thing that you can do is, especially if you're new and and I encourage you, even if you're not new,

If you haven't heard the episodes we did, so we did an episode. I'm trying to trying to figure out what episodes they were. So Angel Colon was episode 23 and 24. And then Luis Ruiz was episode 41. So episodes 23, 24 and 41. If you have not heard.

those episodes, guys and gals. You need to listen to those because those were episodes where I talked to people who were in the LGBTQ plus community who got delivered out of that lifestyle. Now, on top of that, the people that I talked to were people who. So, for instance, Angel Colon, he unfortunately,

In June 2016, if you remember that terrorist attack that was on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, where this Omar Mateen, which is a 29 year old Omar Mateen, killed 49 people and wounded 53 more people. OK. Well, Angel Colon, who I had on the show for episodes 23 and 24, he was actually in the nightclub that night.

When it got shot up, he was shot multiple times. This is a gay nightclub. Okay. and so, you know, you know, everyone in this club is living the LGBTQ lifestyle and, and Angel Cologne is one of them. And his story is literally riveting. I mean, just to hear, he gives us moment by moment things that have happened or the things that happen in that club.

Kevin Wilson (11:50.526)
Literally, the the terrorist was standing right over him. And anyway, if there's I could go on, listen to the show. It is it's crazy. And to hear how God delivered him out of that, if you were to see Angel Colon today, you would never know that he went through that and that he had been shot multiple times.

same thing with, Louise, in, in, episode 41, man, wow. He was also a part of this, this night and what you will see, and you will hear God working in their lives, even before they went to the club that night, God was speaking.

and saying things to them and and it's my goodness, you have to hear it. OK, so if you haven't heard that, those are some really good episodes to actually hear somebody who was in that lifestyle has come out of that lifestyle and and so on. And so that's something you can look at. But I want to just I want to dig in. OK, and so we're going to dig into a lot of stuff in this series.

One of the things some of the things that we're going to cover today is, you know, talking about the authority of the word of God and we're going to talk about it. What is the authority in the word of God? And it and it and what it has to do when it comes to LGBTQ issues. We're also going to talk about if the word of God is the final authority. What does the Bible actually say about homosexuality?

OK, and then we're going to talk in a couple of weeks or so. We're going to talk about the church's role and the gay community, because I think that as Christians, we need to know what are we supposed to do as the church? What is our place? What is our role? How do we function in a society where the LGBTQ plus community is seeking answers? They want to know why, you know,

Kevin Wilson (14:12.574)
You know, we've got people who in the name of Christianity is saying things like, hey, I'm not going to bake your cake or I'm not going to, you know, sew you a wedding dress or I'm not going to whatever the case may be. Why are they saying that? OK, what's the role of the church in that? And then we're just going to go through a bunch of LGBTQ plus frequently asked questions on a on a on a third show, all kinds of questions. And I'll tell you what some of those things are, because.

We're going to deep delve very deeply into all of those things. And so let me let me start off by saying this. OK. Jesus, OK, has to be front and center. Of everything. That we do.

in life. OK, you know what he wants, right? So when it comes to our relationships, when it comes to our lifestyles, when it comes to our decisions, when it comes to all of those things that we face in our lives or decisions that we make in our lives. All of that has to be centered on Christ.

If we call ourselves a Christian, right? There is no way around that. Jesus himself said, I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life. Right? No one comes to the Father except through me. So if he is God and he is saying that, look, I'm it. What I say?

is how you should live. If that's what the scripture is saying, well, it behooves us as Christians to listen to what he says. And the only way that we are able to center our lives and everything around Jesus is to follow what he has taught and follow his word. Okay.

Kevin Wilson (16:41.47)
So what our definition of a relationship is, what our definition of a lifestyle is, what our definition of of anything is in life, whether it be gender, whatever, all of that has to be based. In what God has said, right, that that all has to be based in what God has.

said. All right. And so here's here's we're going to start and we are going to go through some scriptures that talk specifically about LGBTQ plus.

and homosexuality, lesbianism, all the things, right? We are going to look and see what does the Word of God actually say about these things. The first, I want to start with, you know, it's going to be tough for you to hear this and embrace this if you don't believe that the Word of God,

is infallible. If you don't believe that the word of God is the unadulterated word of God, if you don't believe that you're going to struggle. Okay. So we first have to establish and now, and I'm going to talk to Christians right now. Okay. If you call yourself a Christian, you are saying I'm a Christ follower. I follow Christ. That's what a Christian is.

So if you are a person who say that you follow Christ, well, then you must follow his word. Okay. His word is the final authority in our lives. All right. So can we all agree that the Bible is true? Can we all agree that the Bible is inspired by God?

Kevin Wilson (18:55.998)
Can we all agree that the Bible is our roadmap to live the way that God has called us to live? And if your answer is yes, and listen, I know what some of you are thinking, okay, because I get this all the time when I talk to people who maybe are not Christian or who's kind of, you know, they're kind of waffling a little bit in their Christianity or they're quote deconstructing, right?

their christianity a lot of times they will come up with all of these things Well, the bible was do you know how many times the bible has been translated? Did you know that you know, did you know that there's? 24 000 variations of this and that and and do you know that scribes messed up and this and that? Look, I let me let me can I put some things to rest for you? and i'm gonna have somebody on later on in the

this year that's going to talk about all those things, how we got our Bible, some of the misconceptions, some of the things that the hard questions that people go, well, what about this? What about that? What about this? And he's going to go through all that stuff. OK, but let me just if you if you love me, you love this show and you trust you have even a moniker of trust in me. OK.

Let me say this to you. I have heard a lot of objections to the Bible. I have heard all a lot of the things. I can't say I've heard all of the things, but I can tell you I've heard a lot. I've listened to a lot of Bible scholars, a lot of apology, a lot of apologists on the Bible and the historicity of the Bible and all of those things. OK. And there is nothing. There is no.

argument that you can make.

Kevin Wilson (20:59.006)
that will debunk the Bible. There's nothing. There's absolutely nothing. It is literally the divine word of God. OK, if you study and you research it, I promise you, you will. If you know, with an open mind and not going into it with bias and all this other type of stuff.

And maybe you do. Maybe you go into it with bias. But I guarantee you, if you're intellectually honest with yourself, it will lead you to the Bible is actually true. OK. All right. So first of all, we've got to establish that Psalms 119 and 89 says forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven. Right. So it really doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what the word of God.

says, John 17 and 17, John 17 is actually one of my favorite chapters in the Bible. He says, sanctify them. This is Jesus praying for his disciples. He says, sanctify them by the truth. Well, what's the truth? I'm saying that part. Your word is truth. John 17, 17, sanctify them by the truth. Your word.

is truth. The NLT, now that was the NIV, if you look at the New Living Translation, it says, make them holy. I love it. By your truth, teach them your word, which is truth. John 1, 1, in the beginning was the word. The word was with God and the word was God.

Did you catch that? In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Kevin Wilson (23:08.286)
You cannot separate God from his word, right? Because there's people who will say, well, but I love, Jesus, he was so meek and he was so humble and I just love his sermon on the mountain. I love all of the, he just loved people and he just wanted everyone.

Did you read the whole Bible? Because you can't pick out bits and pieces that fit your narrative and say, well, I just love if you love the Sermon on the Mount and you think that's the truth and that's biblical and that's truth, then you need to you need to look at every other scripture in the Bible.

Kevin Wilson (23:59.934)
as truth. Every single one of them. Okay.

You can't separate God from his word. You can't. Right. So you can't love God and not like his word just doesn't work that way because he is the word. Matthew 24, 35. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Isaiah 40 and eight. The grass withers and the flowers fall.

But the word of our God endures forever. It doesn't change.

People change. Societies change. Societies progress. Societies regress. Different countries do different things. Social pressure causes us to do things differently at times.

But the one thing that you can always count on and that you can always go back to as the source of guidance as a Christian that will never change is the Word of God. And I think this is where sometimes we get off and we get, we get confused because we take our eyes off of what scripture says and we put our eyes on society. We put our eyes on

Kevin Wilson (25:37.854)
people who are confused about their gender or they're confused about who they should be married to or they're confused about all of these things that people have really never been confused about before but it's becoming more and more prevalent and instead of us going back to the scripture and going well what did the scripture say about that we take our eyes off scripture and

We turn into mush.

And the reason why we turned into mush is because we are being tossed by every wind and wave of whatever is happening in culture. Folks, as Christians, we are not to live based on the culture. That's not how we live. We're not trying to trend on X.

Like, like that, that's the it doesn't matter what's going on, right? We don't just we don't, you know, coast. With all the ways of what's happening, no. We counter all of that with the word of God. All right. So what does the Bible say about homosexuality? What does it say about same sex marriage?

What does it say about the LGBTQ plus community? Right. And let me say this. Let me say this as well. And I will we will I will talk about this because this month I want to focus on this. So there's going to be a couple more shows and regard like really like I say regarding this and we're going to touch on a lot of stuff. And I'm going to tell you what some of that stuff is before we're done here today that we're going to cover. But let me say this. You know,

Kevin Wilson (27:36.67)
We, it is very important.

that I help you to understand that the church, I don't think the church has done a great job of loving people who are in the LGBTQ community. OK, let me just put that out because and one thing you're going to hear through this entire short series is my heart and just complete honesty and openness.

about where I am with this, where I feel like the church has struggled. Right. I think this is something that the church knew about for many years. I think we as a church pushed it under the rug. We didn't know how to handle it. So because we didn't know how to handle it, we either were silent. Or we shamed people into oblivion.

We we were mean in some cases because we didn't know how to handle it. We were we were misguided. We never took the chance to actually study and understand people who are in the LGBTQ community. We act like it was catchy. OK, you know, I can't be around them. You know.

That's wrong. OK. We have told people that things like if you are gay, you're going to hell. OK. Or if you have same sex attraction that you're going to hell. And I think there are, you know, we've got our priorities wrong. OK. And we're going to get into that a little bit more on a different show in this in this short series. But, you know, I will say this.

Kevin Wilson (29:42.43)
is, you know, when you when you when you are around a person or you know somebody who is gay, the first issue is not that they're gay. The first issue is, do they have a relationship with Jesus Christ? Because people don't go to hell because they're gay. They go to hell because they don't have a relationship with Jesus Christ and they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. That's why people go to hell.

Because I can tell you there are people who have accepted Jesus Christ as Savior and they still struggle in some areas. They still have sin. They still have things that they struggle with.

Kevin Wilson (30:21.182)
So first of all, we've got to dispel the myth that this is why people go to hell because that's just not true.

Okay. And these things have been taught, right? And we can't, you know, and so I want to make sure that if you're an LGBTQ plus person and you're listening, whether you're Christian or non -Christian, I will be the first to tell you, I don't think the church got this right for a long time. I think it's just now that the church is understanding and they're forced to really study and research and understand.

this community.

We should have done this 50 years ago. We should have been ahead of this. But because we kind of just brushed it under the rug, we didn't really talk about it. We really didn't like, yeah, so and so's, you know, you know, that kind of stuff, right, which is not good. You know, we need to we we needed to we needed to collaborate. We truly do. And we did.

Right. We did need to collaborate, but we didn't. And so here we are today. And now, since this has become such a big thing in society, we have now it's it's now turned into this this, you know, now we're like, we want to just come out with guns blazing and tell everybody what we think and, you know, all of that. And.

Kevin Wilson (32:02.462)
I don't think that some ways that we do it is healthy. And even though I'm very emphatic, I'm very dogmatic when it comes to the word of God and you hear, I mean, everything that I've said in the last, you know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes or so.

Is it's it's my conviction. It's my heart. It's it's I can't sit here and lie to you. I'm going to give an account for everything that I say on this podcast. Do you understand that? Like, I can't just get on here and lie to you or say something to make you feel better or, you know, try to say something nice so that a bunch of people will listen to me and all of this kind of like I this podcast can't.

be about Kevin. If this podcast is about Kevin, you're going to get totally, totally different content. Because, yeah, yes, yes, who doesn't want to be liked? Who doesn't want to be listened to? Who doesn't want all of that stuff? But I can't do that. Your soul and where you're going to spend eternity is way more important than my feelings.

So I have a responsibility. If I'm gonna be behind this mic, I need to be telling you the truth and shame on me and any other person who for the sake of trying to be on the same page or have just to try to have fake unity and some sense of fake peace come on to shows like this.

and tell you that all this stuff is fine and you're okay, I'm okay. Live your truth. You know, that might not be my truth, but that's your truth. You gotta be the best version of yourself and all this crazy jargon that means nothing, but I'm going to do what I want to do and you are going to do what you want to do. And we're not going to honor and reverence God because that's basically what's happening.

Kevin Wilson (34:16.67)
And I'm sorry, that's not gonna happen on the, I'm not sorry. That's not gonna happen on this show. And it's not because I hate you. It's not because I don't love you. It's not because I'm a whatever, call me whatever. It's not that. It's because one, I care about you as a human. Two, I'm gonna give it an account to God. Do you realize how many people have listened to this show?

in how many lives that I could affect if I get on here and say the wrong thing. And I'm not saying I'm perfect. And I'm not saying that I have everything right and I know all theology and I'm the final arbiter of all things. No, I am not. I am a flawed man. I am a broken man. And I am not somebody who knows it all. There are so many much more smarter people than me.

So many.

Kevin Wilson (35:18.11)
I'm just a dude that is trying to fulfill a calling that I feel is on my life and that is to share the gospel with people. That's to share the truth with people. That's to share the truth of God's word.

Kevin Wilson (35:37.79)
And I, and I'm so passionate about truth. And the reason why I am is because I wasn't always taught the truth.

learned a lot of things about God that were wrong.

And when I realized and I found out who God actually was, I was absolutely floored. One. And two, it caused me to fall in love with him and it caused me to fall in love with his word. And.

Now that I know that whole organizations and pastors and teachers, well -meaning people, some of them and some of them not so much well -meaning.

can have thousands and dare I say millions of followers and be 100 % wrong. There are people who are very sincere, but they're sincerely wrong. And I don't want that for you.

Kevin Wilson (36:53.598)
I don't want to save your feelings and not see your soul saved. I'd rather your soul be saved and your feelings hurt. Right? Like, you know, and I've said this analogy before on the on the on the pod is look, if you go to the doctor and you have cancer, you need the doctor to tell you have cancer. I don't care.

And I don't mean this to be callous, right? It's had people in my family who's died of cancer. OK, you know, my dad being one of them, I right. I was there when he took his last breath, so I'm not being callous here. But what I'm saying is you don't want a doctor who's got all. Don't worry about the whole cancer thing. Yeah, that thing's that's not no big deal. Right. Yeah, you're fine. You know, live your truth. If you want to believe that you don't have cancer. Yeah.

That's fine, live your truth, I'll live my truth.

And then you die and you leave your kids without a dad or a mom. You leave your grandparents or you leave your spouse. Why would you do that? And that's your natural body that's actually going to die. What about your spiritual body? Right. What about your spirit man? I should say. Right. What about that? That's...

that your soul will never die. So you better get that right.

Kevin Wilson (38:37.662)
It's not going to always feel good. It's not going to always sound good.

Kevin Wilson (38:48.734)
Can I tell you that it's going to be good for you? It's going to be good for you. Right. Think about when you were a kid, that medicine, you're like, it's nasty. But guess what? You took that medicine and in a few days you felt better. It tastes good. I mean, now the medicine. my gosh. Everything tastes like candy and lollipops and jolly ranchers. Right. And that's good. I'm glad they've perfected it. Right.

But back in the day, some of that stuff was disgusting. My peers, well, I could go on and on about that. but do you, do you, do you, do you get my heart? Do you understand? Right. And you might not really like this conversation right now. And you might say, my gosh, this guy. But I promise you when you are standing before God,

You'll remember this conversation and you will either be really happy that you listened and you heeded the word of God.

Or you're going to be beating yourself up standing before God because you're going to say that weird little guy on that little podcast kept telling me this is what I should do. And this is why, but I just didn't listen. I don't want that to be you.

I want you to have everything God has for you. Everything. And it's a lot. It's a lot of good.

Kevin Wilson (40:43.166)
Some of it might not be so good. And that's okay, because he's going to be with you through it all.

All right, let's let's let's look at what does the bible say about homosexuality? lgbtq plus All of those things same -sex marriage. All right first, let's look at leviticus 18 verse 22 leviticus 18 verse 22, okay Do not have sexual relations with a man

as one does with a woman. That is detestable.

Leviticus 20 13. If a man has sexual relations,

With a man as one does with a woman Both of them have done What is detestable? They are to be put to death Their blood will be on their own heads now I'm gonna pause there because I know you're probably like my gosh kevin That is so mean and that is so harsh And we're going to talk about this in a little bit later detail in another one of the shows that we do in this this series

Kevin Wilson (42:09.694)
We're going to talk about in detail because yeah, for this society, we're like, my gosh, Kevin, that is you killed somebody just because they were homosexual. Here's what you and let me I will briefly say this, but we will go into this much deeper on another show. OK. But here's what you have to understand.

Israel this was Leviticus and this was these were laws that Israel at the time followed because they were under a theocracy Okay their literal leader was God What you don't understand and you probably will never fully grasp until you get to heaven is how holy and righteous God is All of us

are deserving of death even if we committed one sin and say that sin wasn't homosexuality. Say that sin wasn't LGBTQ plus related. Okay. We are all sinners and the only reason why today that we are in good standing with God.

Is this is if you have accepted Jesus Christ as your savior and he has now become the sacrifice for that sin. He died so that you don't have to die. But back in Israel's time, in that time of Israel, right? In Leviticus time, guys, they're what Jesus hadn't died.

Right? Anytime that there is sin, the penalty for that sin is death.

Kevin Wilson (44:02.75)
This is why the cross of Jesus Christ, especially if you're a person who don't, you know, like you're not a Christian and you're listening to me. This is why the cross of Christ is so important to Christianity because Jesus took our place.

so that now when we sin, we ask him for forgiveness because he already died for that sin that we are committing or that we're getting ready to commit or we've committed in the past. He died for all of our sins, past, present, and future.

Kevin Wilson (44:47.038)
So understand that God is so holy and he is so righteous that there is nothing that can stand.

in his presence, that's not holy. So when unholy things were done,

It was the job of the civil leaders of that time to carry out execution for people who did things that were wrong.

Kevin Wilson (45:25.358)
And get over the fact that you're probably not going to understand and fully grasp in this life how holy God is and how that is justified.

Kevin Wilson (45:43.55)
But understand this.

Understand this. And I love this so much. Right? I just love, don't you? Man, I just love the word of God and I love how God made this. Right?

We live in a dispensation of grace now.

Kevin Wilson (46:10.11)
So because we live in a dispensation of grace, we don't have to worry about being stoned or being killed or being whatever the case may be. Yes, we have some consequences for some sins that when we commit them, you know, if you go out and kill somebody, you're going to go to jail, right? You might even get the death penalty, right? But when it comes in a spiritual sense, Jesus died for all of it.

They live in a dispensation and a time under a theocracy. We live under the dispensation of grace. All right. And we will talk about that a little bit more. Let's let's move on with more scripture about homosexuality. OK. Jude one and seven in a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah.

And the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire or hell. So basically, what Jude is saying here is, look, in a similar way, Saddam and Gomorrah. And if you don't know what Saddam and Gomorrah is, but these were.

these were cities and I encourage you to go in and read and study up on Sodom and Gomorrah. But one of the most talked about sins in that particular time was the sin of homosexuality. And there's a story in there where these cities were so bent on...

the homosexual lifestyle and the LGBT and what we call it now is LGBTQ plus type stuff and behavior that when when when one of the the the patriarchs and the was he had he he had daughters in the house. Right. And this is crazy. He had daughters in the house. The men of that city.

Kevin Wilson (48:23.838)
The men of that city were so bent on being with other men that they didn't even care about these daughters that this this man had. All they cared about was the angels that were at the door that must have been in a look like men or when the former man or whatever. Right. And they were trying to get in. They wanted them. They didn't want the daughters.

Kevin Wilson (48:50.366)
And so Jude is saying, look, in a similar way, Sarah Megumora, look, the surrounding towns also gave themselves up to sexual immorality. They called that sexual immorality. This is what Jude is calling it and perversion.

They serve as an example of those. So that stuff that was going on in those cities, they serve an example of those who will suffer the punishment. Of eternal fire, Romans one, 26 through 28, for this reason, God gave them over. Now, this is here's what you have to understand. So I just read Jude. And I'm getting ready to read Romans. There's this thing we're going to talk about that, too, in this series. But there's this thing where people say, well.

But there's, you know, Jesus really doesn't talk about homosexuality. There's no such thing, you know, in the New Testament, that's not really brought up. You know, that's an Old Testament thing. We don't do that. Like we don't, you know, we don't have to worry about that stuff anymore because that's an Old Testament thing and we don't live out of the Old Testament. Well, let me tell you something about moral laws, like the civil and ceremonial laws. Yes, we don't have to do those anymore. Christ came and it's clear in the Bible that he fulfilled those.

that law, those laws, okay. In Christ, those laws were, were fulfilled.

Moral law will always be in place. It'll always be here. You don't get to kill somebody now and it'd be okay. Right? It's not like, well, Jesus came now. So now we can just kill people. No, that doesn't happen. That is moral law. You don't get to steal things. Right? Adultery is still wrong. Right? You don't just get to cheat on your wife or your husband.

Kevin Wilson (50:45.854)
I mean, you can, but it's wrong and it's awful.

right? You know, you, you, these are all moral laws and in that moral law is morality and sexuality. And so when you have or you're engaging in a behavior that is immoral, well, then it's subjected to God's word and God's word is what's causing it to be immoral.

So I'm sorry, but those laws are still in place, right? But we have the Holy Spirit now to help when it comes to these proclivities or these bents towards certain sins. Okay?

Now think about this, as we've been going through this, not one time have I bashed you. If you're listening to me and you're in the LGBTQ plus community, not one time have I bashed you or say you're a horrible people or you're anything like, no, that's not what this is about. This is just about, hey, if you want to be a Christian and you want to be like Christ, what does the Bible say about this?

And if we and if you feel like this is divisive and you feel like, man, this is controversial and all the things. We got to go back to Christ and the place that we unite as all Christians.

Kevin Wilson (52:29.31)
is we unite at the cross. We unite over the Word of God. We unite under one.

Supreme Being which is God and it's the God of the Bible.

Kevin Wilson (52:47.774)
All right, let's get into this New Testament. Romans chapter one, verse 26 through 28. For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural. Hmm. Verse 27. And in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman.

and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Folks, I didn't write this. This is scripture and this is New Testament.

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Verse 28 here.

Kevin Wilson (53:52.894)
And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer. And I feel like this is what's happening in some of our LGBTQ community. What we're doing, especially in the Christian LGBTQ community, what we're doing is we're not acknowledging God any longer. At least not the God of the Bible.

Well, you say, well, well, I am acknowledging God because I still go to church and I read the Bible and I worship and I love God. And, but I would, I can, I can, I can, I ask a question. Which Bible, which God are you loving and following? Because if it's the God of the Christian Bible, this, these scriptures that I'm reading is.

in that Bible.

So help me understand how you can read this Bible, love this same God, get up from praying to that God, reading about that God and what he says about all of these issues in scripture, and then go live a lifestyle.

that is completely contrary to what the Bible that you just read says. Help me understand.

Kevin Wilson (55:36.19)
These are the type of things that I'm talking about, beloved. These, I know it's hard and I know it's rough and I know it goes against, we feel our very nature, but we're going to talk about that too, right? Our nature. And we say, well, but Kev, I just feel, I understand feelings come and go. I know that's what you feel.

feel and I know that's what your emotions are telling you. I'm telling you what's actually true.

Kevin Wilson (56:16.766)
And I can sympathize and I can, I know what it's like because I'm not perfect because I'm a sinner simply saved by God's grace. I know what it's like to struggle in areas of our lives. I know what that's like and I know it's hard and I know I don't care who's talking.

There's people out here that say things like, well, you go to, you get to, you, you know, you received Jesus Christ to save you. You'll never sin again. That is a lie. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Now, as you continue in the process of sanctification, yes, you will sin less, but you will never be sinless, but you will sin a lot less.

Why? Because the sanctification process is being actualized in your life.

Kevin Wilson (57:23.902)
Can I say to you that I understand that you're struggling and I understand what it feels like, but don't you understand that a heterosexual person also sometimes struggle with the opposite sex? Do you understand that? There are times like, wow, that person looks really good. And if they think on that thought too long, that thought becomes sin.

Why? Because they now are thinking things they shouldn't be thinking about.

regarding someone else. Because that could be somebody else's wife, somebody else's husband, that whatever the case may be. And morally, we need to, we need to take our thoughts and bring them into subjection to the knowledge of Christ.

So just because a person feels something, think about a heterosexual couple. What if they get mad at their husband or their wife and they're just struggling? They're in a valley in their relationship right now. And it's just not, things are just not the greatest. What if they let their guard down and they were just like, you know what? I really feel like being with another woman tonight. I really feel like being with another man tonight.

just because they feel like that doesn't mean you should go and sleep with another person outside of your marriage.

Kevin Wilson (58:58.206)
you know, and then you don't then turn and make that your identity. Well, I am the adulterer. Like, like, look, I'm Kevin and I've got pride in my adultery. I am an adulterer. No one does that.

Kevin Wilson (59:14.078)
It's not if a person has an issue with pornography, right? They don't go around going, hey, I'm Kevin, the pornographer. Right. They don't go out and and do have marches and all this stuff and say, hey, I'm the porn guy. Yeah. No, no. Just because you feel like something doesn't mean that's what you act on.

Right. We teach that to our children. You might feel like smacking somebody in the face and you might be feeling like smacking me right now. Right. You might feel like smacking somebody, but this doesn't mean you do it. And I know that's a very simplistic and you say, but Kev, my, you're making it so simple, but my feelings are complex. And I know they are.

I know, think about the complexity of the feelings of the person who's in a relationship they feel like is at a dead stop or a dead end. Think about what a person feels like when they're just like, man, I feel like I don't love this person anymore. But just because you're struggling in your marriage doesn't mean you cheat on your spouse. Well, it's the same way with homosexuality and lesbianism and LGBTQ plus issues.

gender dysphoria in all of these things even though You might feel like and i'm getting into some stuff that i'm gonna get into later And and and so I will do this. I promise you i'm I know i'm saying a few things here, but i'm gonna do this more justice later. Okay? All right in the next couple of weeks. We're gonna still be talking about this and I i'm gonna

Break this down further so that you understand and from both sides. I'm not just going to do it from my side. OK, so understand that. All right. But but but think about it.

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I don't just get to do things based on my...

thoughts and feelings. And I know you say, Kev, but you don't understand. I feel like I'm a man trapped in a woman's body or I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, whatever the case may be. And I will tell you right now, I don't for one second think that you don't feel that way. Because see, there are people out there and especially in the past that would have told you, no, you don't think that way.

Right? You just need to, you know.

Be a man, you know, or be a girl, whatever, whatever they said to you. Right. And they totally missed your crying out to say, I'm broken. There's something not right here. And I'm struggling getting past these emotions and these feelings and these whatever. And they feel so real and they feel and they are real, but they feel so close to me.

It's like it is me.

Kevin Wilson (01:02:35.006)
Think about it. Think about it with me. We don't do that with anything else.

Kevin Wilson (01:02:44.83)
You don't, if you, if you struggle with lying, you don't take on the identity of a liar.

Not for yourself. Somebody else might call you a liar, but you don't take that identity on. When is the last time you take it on the identity of any of your other proclivities or bent towards certain things that are wrong? You don't take, you don't, you, you don't identify, you don't start making an identity. You just say, Hey, I struggle with this behavior, you know, and I'm doing everything that I can. You know, I'm praying, I'm reading my Bible. I'm asking God to.

to help me with this or you might be going to counseling or whatever the case may be, it doesn't become your identity.

Kevin Wilson (01:03:35.326)
All right. Genesis 224. That is why a man leaves. Notice words matter. OK, Genesis, this is right in the first book of the Bible and right at the second chapter of the first book. That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife.

and they become one flesh. Notice it says this is why a man leaves his father and his mother, not his father and his father, not his mother and his mother. Right. But a man leaves and is united to his wife, not his husband, not his boyfriend, not any of that. And they become one flesh. Mark 10, six through nine.

But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. Like, I, guys, what do you do with that?

What do you do with that? But from the beginning of creation, Mark 10, six through nine, God made them, God did. He made them male and female. Therefore, and it's going to kind of recap what this Genesis verse just said, therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh.

So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." But that first few words is super important. It says, but from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. That's the only two genders that God made. Look at Genesis. God made a man and he made a woman.

Kevin Wilson (01:05:42.27)
He did not make.

Men who should be women and women who should be men.

Now.

Are there people out there who just always had this feeling that they just feel like they feel weird in their body? Sure. I mean, yes. But understand that that's not your identity.

Kevin Wilson (01:06:15.198)
We all have things, right? Some people when they're born, they're born with a proclivity or a bent towards lying. Or there are people who have always been, you know, they're like, man, that person was always angry. You know, man, when they were like five, six years old, they used to be outside. They were like ants on fire and do all kinds of crazy stuff. And people are not surprised when they get older, they have anger issues because they saw it even when they were a kid. But does that make it right?

No, it doesn't make it right. That just means that that's something that needs to be addressed. Right. Does it mean that they take on that as an identity and say, well, I'm the angry man. You know, I identify as angry. No, nobody wants to identify as angry. No, you work on these things. Right. And I want you to understand that when God created you, God didn't create you.

Broken. He didn't create you with a glitch. No, he created you to be who he created you to be. The only issue that we run into is the fact that we were, the Bible says we were born in sin. And we were literally shaped in iniquity. So it, because you've been born into sin, well, what happens?

Kevin Wilson (01:07:47.454)
That means that you live in a fallen world and certain things are not going to feel natural. It's not going to feel right. Why? Because we are Adam and Eve, they sinned and the world was perfect. You read in Genesis, the world was perfect. God made everything perfect. And then when we sin, guess what happened? Sin and death.

and destruction and decay and all of these things came into our world. And now people are born with maladies. People are born sometimes without arms and legs. There are people who are have cerebral palsy. There are people who are born blind or they're born with without hearing or what? I mean, there's so many things that people are born with.

Kevin Wilson (01:08:40.542)
And that also means that some people are born and they just they feel different. They don't feel right. They feel like they have all of these things. Some of it's because of social things. Right. Some of it's just, you know, how they grew up and different things like that. Some people may have been molested. Some people like there's so many things that we could point to to say why we feel or our emotions or our hearts or our whatever.

things are a certain way in our lives. So many things that we can point to. But please don't point to the Word of God and say, well, but I feel this way. And so that therefore that must mean that the Bible is wrong. No, your feelings don't get to trump the Word of God. But that just that's not a thing.

Kevin Wilson (01:09:41.502)
And I know again, you're like, but, but Kev, I know, but you listen.

Kevin Wilson (01:09:52.862)
It's not biblical. And if you want to be like Christ, you have to obey the word of God, regardless of how you feel.

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All right.

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some more just a few more scriptures here first Corinthians 6 9 through 10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived listen to this neither fornicators We know that that's we are we all agree on that right fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers the adulterers remember where I said about adulterers

Sometimes we feel like it doesn't mean we should do it. Why? Because it's wrong. No adulterers, no effeminate. Hmm. No homosexuals. Literally says this. No thieves, no covetous, no drunkards, no revelers, no swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Kevin Wilson (01:11:11.422)
This is insane. Look guys, people who practice these things.

who practice them. Those are people who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Homosexuality is not an identity, it's a behavior.

Kevin Wilson (01:11:34.91)
God is saying the behavior of homosexuality is wrong. Men having sex with men, women having sex with women is wrong. That behavior is wrong.

Kevin Wilson (01:11:55.646)
It's not an identity, it's a behavior.

Sex is not wrong in the proper context of a man and a woman who are married. Nothing wrong with that. But if you change that behavior and you then have sex with a man and you're a man, or have sex with a woman and you're a woman, your behavior is now out of line with scripture.

Kevin Wilson (01:12:34.75)
Verse 11, actually also, first Corinthians six, I should have said nine through 11 instead of nine through 10, but it says, such were some of you. This used to be you. He says, right? The fornicators, the idolaters, the adulterers, the effeminate, the homosexuals, the thieves, covetous, drunkards, revelers, swindlers, right? That used to be you, but it says, but you were washed.

But you were sanctified and you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the spirit of our God.

Right? So, so basically what he's saying is when you become a Christian, those things that you used to do and those ways that you used to think and you were like, okay, well, yeah, I can do that. No, no, no, no. That changes now. Why? Because you are now a Christ follower. And that's why I say if you are reading the same Bible that I'm reading,

and you're following the same God that I'm following, I struggle to understand how you go from loving that God, knowing what the Word of God says, and then living your life in a way that's totally opposite from that.

Kevin Wilson (01:14:09.502)
I know people right now. There are plenty of LGBTQ plus churches out there.

that affirm the behavior and the lifestyle. I'm not talking about affirming you as a person because I will affirm you all day because you are valuable. don't get me started. I can read you a hundred scriptures about how valuable you are to God and how much your value is immense to God and that you are literally a masterpiece. I mean, I can go.

I can read scripture after scripture about that, how you were knit in your mother's womb and all of those. I can tell you about that.

But what you have to understand is so I can affirm you what I can't affirm and see what you what the LGBTQ plus community does. You you you put your you put yourself and your value and you put that in the same bucket and is at the same level is what you would say your identity is. And so you make yourself the behavior.

And then you say, well, but if you don't affirm my behavior, that means you don't affirm me. And that's wrong. I affirm you. I love you as a person. What I am saying is God doesn't condone your behavior.

Kevin Wilson (01:15:48.894)
The behavior is wrong. I can't affirm homosexual behavior, but I can affirm you as a person. I love you. And I love you enough to tell you the truth.

Kevin Wilson (01:16:08.478)
Somebody that doesn't tell you the truth doesn't love you. If I go along with you right now, it's, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. God loves everybody. Here's what's missing from that statement. Because is it true that God loves people? Of course he does. He created you. So of course he loves his own creation.

Kevin Wilson (01:16:34.334)
But what's missing from that statement is that God doesn't like sin. He hates sin and sin and righteousness don't co, they don't mix, right? You can't have sin in the presence of a righteous and a holy God. So in any time that sin becomes present, well, guess what happens? Sin has to take a bow. Sin actually has to be released.

from the presence of God because it can't co -mingle.

This is why I say it's really hard for you to read the same Bible and pray to the same God and then get up and say, hey, that guy, that God, that Jesus, that Lord of the Bible agrees with this lifestyle. Because how can you say that when the words out of his own book says he doesn't?

Kevin Wilson (01:17:38.686)
Do you understand? Right? And everything I'm saying even right now is out of heart of love for you. I don't want to see you. I want to see you have all that God has for you. That's what I want to see.

Kevin Wilson (01:18:08.062)
All right.

First Timothy, I know we're running a little long today, but this this is good. We need to we need to dig into this. I'll be done in a in a second here. Kind of. First Timothy one eight through eleven. But we know that the law is good. If one refuses. I'm sorry. Let me start back over. First Timothy chapter one, verse eight through eleven, verse eight says, but we know that the law is good.

If one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and the profane, for those who kill their fathers or their mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals,

and kidnappers and liars and perjurers and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching. Verse 11, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted. Hmm.

Right?

Kevin Wilson (01:19:31.102)
And then First Corinthians seven to just says, but because of the temptation of sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each and each woman her own husband. It never says that a woman should have her own wife and that a man should have his own husband. It doesn't say that anywhere in scripture. Every time it talks about a relationship, marriage, any of that.

It talks about a man and a woman.

Kevin Wilson (01:20:06.814)
And it's okay. That's okay. You know why it's okay is because God created us. He's the one who would know his word has to be the manual and how we live our lives. Right. Imagine if we got a brand new iPhone and we were taking out the manual, we were reading that, you know, about the new iPhone.

And imagine if we try to use that iPhone for something totally different than what it was intended to be used for. Right. You get you get your iPhone, you go up this thing. I don't know. I want this to be a fax machine. Well, it wasn't created to be a fax machine. But I know, but I want it to be a fax machine. You look at the manual and you go, I need to figure out how this thing could be a fax machine. You look at the manual, the manual says, no, no, there's a.

You know, there's a button on the phone at the bottom and that takes you to the home screen and then you put these apps on it and this way, like all the things right. But you go, no, no, no, no, no. I want it to be a fax machine. Well, it doesn't matter how much you want it to be and how much you think it should be. The creator of that iPhone made that iPhone so that it can text that you could get on the Web and so that you could make calls. That is what the phone is for. Right now.

How silly would it be for you to go back and get upset and angry at Steve Jobs, who was the creator of the iPhone and say, hey man, what are you doing here? This is stupid. Why would you do this? I want my phone to do that. No. Right. Or try to use the phone in some other, and then the phone's not working and you go, well, I don't understand why my phone's not working. You go back to Steve Jobs or you go back to the manual and Steve Jobs goes, well, but how are you?

using this. You go, well, but I'm using it this way. And he goes, but that's not how I created it. Well, it's the same way when it comes to transgender and gender dysphoria and all of these things. Folks, you're listen, a man, your parts weren't made for another man. I mean, nature itself will tell you that. Guess what?

Kevin Wilson (01:22:22.75)
If everybody decided to be gay, there would be no more people. We would go extinct. Like it doesn't just think about it logically. Okay. Just think about it logically. It doesn't make any sense. Your genitalia was not made for somebody else with the same genitalia. Why? Because they're double negatives. It won't, it, what?

You know, and this is why when you do, when you try to do it a different way, you get diseases. Why? Because that's not what God intended your, how you got intended your body to be used. Go back to the manual, which is the word of God. Right. And then you wonder, listen, and I know people will get deep into this stuff later on the social part of it. And.

really talking about the other side, you know, because I know I'm bringing it from my side, you know, now, but I'm going to talk about it from the LGBTQ side, because I think those of us that are Christians don't understand this community. You need to understand it from their their point of view as well. Right. And and I know that it's I know that it's a struggle. Right. And I know that I'm not trying to downplay that by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just telling you.

how God created you and it's very plain to see, right? Let's everybody decide that we're just not, we're just gonna, you know, you know, we're gonna marry the same sex. We're gonna have the same, we're gonna have sex with the same sex, all that kind of stuff. Just, we would just go extinct. Why? Because we weren't created for that. Go back to the manual, which is the word of God.

Kevin Wilson (01:24:11.774)
The word of God is supposed to be your guide. Psalms one 19 and one five says your word, your word, God's word is a lamp for my feet and a light for my path. How do I know where I'm supposed to go? I use your word to light my path. He says, so yeah, your word is a lamp for my feet and a light on my path. You know, that was the scripture that we would read a lot of times in VBS and and in Sunday school.

But it's not it's more than just a Sunday school scripture. It's like a way of life Psalms 119 11 I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you. So remember all those scriptures we just read Think about it all those scriptures. We just read about homosexuality and what God says about homosexuality Guess what? We are supposed to heed Psalms 119 11 where it says I have hidden your word that word that we just talked about

And we read, I'm supposed to hide that in my heart so that I don't sin against God. If I don't hide that in my heart and I just discard that, guess what's going to happen? I'm going to sin.

And in order for you to make this work with God, which it doesn't, but in order for you to think it works with God is you have to say things like, well, that was Old Testament, but I read New Testament for you. That was back then. That was to those people back then. Well, the Bible says that God's word doesn't change. Right. God is the same yesterday.

today and forever. That's also scripture. So, so what do we do with that? God doesn't change. Right? Right? Romans 2, 14 through 15 says, even Gentiles who do not have God's written law. So, they're talking about Gentiles. That's us. We're not Jews. We're Gentiles. Okay. Even Gentiles who do not have God's written law.

Kevin Wilson (01:26:26.718)
show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it. Where'd you get your morals from? How do you know? How do you know that something is wrong? How do you know murder is wrong? Where'd you get that from? If there's no God, right? People say, well, there's no God. It can't be God. If it was, you know, if there was a God, he wouldn't let all this stuff have all that. All the things, right? We did a podcast on that, too. If God is so good or if God is good, why all the evil?

Go back search that we did a podcast on that Randy Alcorn, New York Times bestseller He did a fantastic job on that right? But think about that Romans 2 14 through 15 says

It says, even Gentiles who do not have God's written law show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. Think about children when they are doing stuff before they even know something is wrong. Little toddlers, they go and they hide things. They steal cookies. They do it. Why do they hide it? Because they instinct.

Instinctively know it's wrong. Nobody told them it it was wrong. They don't even know yet, but they instinctively Do things and try to hide stuff, right? We all if you've been around a toddler, you know what they do Why because they know it's written on their hearts. This is why You sometimes and now listen to me if you're in the LGBTQ plus community. Listen to me. Listen to me good. Okay You might say hey, Kev

You know what?

Kevin Wilson (01:28:13.182)
I don't do this stuff in front of people.

Because I feel ashamed. I feel embarrassed or I feel like something's, you know, it feels wrong. It feels dirty or it feels this or that. Can I tell you that one of the reasons why you feel that way is because that God's moral and morals and his laws are literally written upon your heart. You are born with a moral compass. Right. Do you realize that?

You're born with a moral compass. You know that you're not supposed to do certain things, right? You just know nobody has to tell you that. Why? Because it's written on your heart. Well, when you sin or you do things that are not right, you feel that shame. You feel that guilt. You feel like you've got to push it in the closet. You feel like you can't show it. You can't be something out done publicly.

Isn't that, isn't that something? And in order for you to make it acceptable, you literally have to push and scream and yell and just put it in, make it normal, like force feed it into people's faces to make it normal. Folks, that's not normal. Right? You don't have to tell people when they're doing something wrong. Why is it that we, we, the LGBTQ plus community,

Guys, listen to me. Why is it that you feel like you have to force feed it to people? Why? Think about that.

Kevin Wilson (01:29:56.478)
Number, verse 15 of Romans two, 14 and 15, and I'm done. It's my last couple of minutes. They demonstrate that God's law is written on their hearts for their own conscience and thoughts, either accused them or tell them they are doing right. Your own conscience. This is why so many, if you are honest, listen to me. I have, I know a lot of people in this community. Okay.

Or quite, you know, I've known quite a few people in this community. Okay. And almost every person that I've met in this community, you just be honest with yourself. I'm not saying you have to be honest with anybody else right at this very second, but as you listen to this, be honest with yourself. You are in constant turmoil in your mind. People that I know that is in this lifestyle, they just, they, they're in.

constant turmoil. What's the turmoil for? It's all accepted now. There's a whole month. There's a whole, the White House is lighting up rainbow colors. There's, there's pride parades. There's all this. Why are you so troubled? Why are you so, you say, well, Kevin, I'm listening and I'm totally fine. Okay. Remember I said this.

Because it's common. I promise you, if you're new to this lifestyle and you think, man, I'm finally free and I can finally do all that. I promise you it won't stay that way. It won't stay that way. You will be, you will be perpetually unhappy. You will be perpetually irritated. You will go through relationships. You will do like, I promise you, this is what happens in the LGBTQ plus community. I'm telling you. And think under just, just.

Just can you just at least consider some of the things that have been said today and understand why it will help you understand why you go through that turmoil.

Kevin Wilson (01:32:09.182)
All right. So next. So what we're here's some of the things that we're going to get into. OK, because I want to talk about it from a, you know, in the next shows, we're getting ready to get out of here right now. But the the next shows we're going to talk a little bit about. And so this is for the month of June right now. We're going to talk about can you be gay and a Christian? Right. What about people who are like true Christians, though?

like true Christians born again, saved on your way to heaven, Christians. And you struggle, though, with same sex attraction. OK, because, yes, there are very solid, faithful Christians who, you know, think about somebody like Jackie Hill Perry. I love her and I love her story. And there's others, Preston Sprinkle and. Gosh, there's there's so many out there.

who have who have who are in a a relationship maybe with the opposite sex now but they will tell you look my attraction to the same sex never went away some people's it did when they got saved other people's it didn't how do we navigate through that should you attend a gay wedding talk about that did jesus ever address homosexuality specifically

We talked a little bit about this today, but we're going to talk about this a little bit more detail. I heard that, you know, people say, well, I heard this homosexuality is an Old Testament law. What about when you feel like you were born gay? We alluded to this as well. I feel like I'm a man trapped in a girl's body or I'm a girl trapped in a man's whatever the case may be. What about love is love? Why would God allow somebody to have sexual desires if it's wrong?

on. You know, am I saved if I'm attracted to the same sex, but if I love the person, this is one that we're going to talk about and they love me. What's the harm? OK. Why do Christians say things like the rainbow belongs to God? And then one of the where we struggle, we talked about this a little bit earlier, but I want to talk to this in more detail is why are people why were people in the Old Testament stoned?

Kevin Wilson (01:34:36.926)
for practicing homosexuality. So there's so many other things. And if there's anything else you want me to to cover as we do this, don't hesitate to reach out to me via text or leave me a voicemail at the same number 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Two, four, eight, three, zero, one, twenty, ten, two, four, eight, three, zero, one, twenty ten.

as we go through this, if you have questions or if you have stuff you want to bring up or you want to, you have a rebuttal that you want me to answer, whatever the case may be, please send it in. I'll be more than happy to share that, on, on the show. Okay. This is what we're going to be, we're going to be talking about and delving deep into this. If you're a Christian and you're like, Hey, I, you know what? My daughter is getting married and she's getting married to a girl. Should I attend the wedding? We're going to talk about that.

or whatever the case, there's so many things. And if I forgot some questions and you've got them, send them to me. Okay. I love you guys. God bless you. And we will see you next time.